Back when AMC decided that Kendall should have sex with Aidan, I remember reading posts on many boards saying that Always Only You was over for those Zen fans and for many Zen haters. I never believed it or felt that way. Nothing AMC did could touch Always Only You and how "magnificent" Kendall is, even when she makes mistakes.

Today, AMC showed me what the outer limit to Always Only You is: It's going to be the one day when Kendall pushes Zach too far. So apparently it's Always Only You Until You Push Me Too Far And I Won't Come Back. And I can't rationalize that line of dialogue away. Until that day, Zach likes a challenge, so he'll stay in the marriage and love Kendall. But apparently it's getting harder for him.

"Loving you doesn't mean that things can't change." IA, but I would have liked to see Zach do more than give Kendall his love. At the smallest level, an apology for walking out on her would have been nice. By her own admission, Kendall is currently a nutcase, jealous and a paranoid freak. I would like to see Zach say something to Kendall other than (1) I love you, honey, and (2) one day, you'll push me too far.

All credit to AM for making me hurt more for Kendall today than even after the ONS reveal. Kendall came across wounded and small after these scenes with Zach. That's so not how I see Kendall, and not what I want to see, either.

A few weeks ago, Zach said that nothing could make him leave Kendall. It was an impossibility, but apparently that has now changed, and my heart broke for Kendall when she actually pondered what that breaking point was.

That she has to fear that just being her own flawed and imperfect self will push him to leave her because of her feelings makes me sad for her, and for their marriage.

The words ILY might even have an expiration date eventually.

No one can push you away unless you let them, and you want to walk away.

Wonderful posts, ladies.

Absolutely agree, Jules Frankly, I'm tired of trying to rationalize what comes out of Zach's mouth these days. So I won't. But I will tell you that my first reaction after reading that last part was that Kendall should do herself a favor and let him go. Because that's not love.It's pity and martyrdom.And frankly, if the man in my life issued a threat like that to me, I'd hold the door open for him. He's 'trapped' by his love for Kendall, and it makes him miserable. Thanks, but no thanks.

The best, most wonderful part of what Z/K had was the unconditional acceptance of the other's truest self.If that's gone, both of them might as well just move on.

Kendall deserves better.

Sigh. ICAM.

Love it or hate it here's what I think.

What I saw today is what we all wanted a human story about a marriage and what it takes to make it work. Forget GB because in the big picture she is just the spark that is bringing things to a head and that need to be dealt with.

Trust. You don't have much of a marriage without it and Zach has said time and again how important it is to him. Kendall told him the night of the reveal at the cabin she realized that she hurt Zach the most because she didn't trust in him to tell him the truth. That's all he ever wanted, he could deal with everything else. Well here we are again Kendall doesn't trust Zach and he knew the minute he walked in what she was thinking and he said it for her. Now you might all think that was harsh but it was the truth and yes the truth hurts but Zach likes to get it out there and Kendall was hedging AGAIN. I liked today because they both said how they felt, Zach was hurt by her thinking he was going to do what Ryan did and sleep with GB and that she doesn't trust him and that lack of trust may be the one thing that pushes him away for good and it also scares him. How much can a person take or should a person take. He was also right when he said Kendall does test him by seeing how much he can take (another leftover insecurity from her past) Kendall admitted it too. She knows how she is and what she does and said who would want to love that, well Zach raised his hand and said he would. He also said even though he loves that about her could we keep the challenges to a minimum. They have had a year of challenges and I can't blame him for wanting it to stop. I also think the reason Zach held her and did not have sex with her was because that's where Kendall goes when she needs to prove her love and Zach wanted her to realize that he could do that just by holding her. Sex is not a cure and doesn't fix anything. Most relationships that only have good sex and nothing else don't last. Also, if you remember they fell in love first without having sex for a long time which was quite different than all of Kendall's other relationships.

I really can't believe who wrote today because thought it was well done.

I know everyone wanted love and kisses but this to me was realistic and dealing with Kendall's problem because she does have a problem just like Zach did after the Dixie fiasco and they dealt with it. Kendall needs to deal with this she can't keep letting her insecurities run her life and I think this is what Zach is trying to tell. I think he doesn't care what GB said or did because it doesn't matter if it was GB or someone else Kendall has to have trust in him and in what they have or they have nothing.

For better or worse. She bends over for him, and he bends over for just about every person in the town. There is no breaking point when it comes to fears and feelings. Those aren't things one can just shrug off or ignore.

I'm not of the belief that Zach is perfect regardless of what the show wants to sell me. I've seen plenty of wah and bullshit that Kendall has "taken" from him.

Since when?

I've been waiting months for Zach's "truth" to get out there to Kendall.

Zach needs to practice what he preaches to Kendall.

Trust is a two way street and Zach hasn't trusted in Kendall's strength in a very, very long time.

Last year we saw him break down alone, even after Myrtle encouraged him to reveal his deepest fears to his wife following the early arrival of Ian.

He never did.

Last fall we saw him chastise his wife for setting up Greenlee so their family would be left in peace. He was angry that she kept her plan a secret from him. But when did Zach tell Kendall about his plan?

When he was in that hole, he talked about why he has to control each and every situation. That his fears consumes him. The fear of turning out like his father and Michael. His fear of losing his wife and sons the same way that he lost his mother.

He has never explained any of this to Kendall. And since she rescued him from that hole, he has yet to tell her any of that.

After Hannah's death, he didn't tell Kendall any of what she said to him up on the rocks. He didn't tell Kendall the nightmare that he had of her slipping away from him.

By not telling Kendall all his fears and worries, he is effectively shutting her out of the deepest part of his soul. She knows about the darkest part, yes, and she has stayed with him. But he needs to quit treating her like a fragile doll that is going to break.

Marriage takes two people. Not one person holding everything up and patting the other on the head and saying that it's going to be okay. Just do what I tell you to do and you won't screw this all up.

What Zach did today was to turn the attack on Kendall. By blaming her, he can make it seem like she is the only one with a problem in this marriage. Because it is far easier to blame someone for pushing you away if what you really want is to leave.

Exactly. And for those of us who have lived through this before with Kendall, I'm loathing the idea that we're going to have to live through it again.

Zach is telling Kendall that it's perfectly okay for Greenlee to feel how she feels, and do what she wants to, regardless of how much it hurts Kendall.But Kendall isn't extended the same courtesy. To me? That means Greenlee is more important than Kendall. What Greenlee feels counts more than anything.And threatening to leave when you've already had one foot out the door for months rings pretty hollow. Zach left the minute he put Greenlee FIRST.

I realize that Kendall isn't blameless here. She's made Greenlee way too important in her life.The fact that she allows her to remain in her life speaks volumes about what kind of generous, giving person she is. If someone did what Greenlee did to Kendall's children to my kids? They'd be looking for enough pieces of her left to bury.

But Zach isn't the perfect, sainted, put upon hero here. And it's worse because he's seen first hand how destructive Greenlee can be, and he's seen the damage she's wrought on Kendall and her children.

And yet? She MATTERS. Apparently more than anything or anyone.

I couldn't get past that if I were Kendall.

Let me first say I absolutely HATE how Kendall is being written lately. They have totally regressed this character and I don't even feel she would be at this place at this time after all her and Zach have been through but my thoughts are about what I'm seeing on my screen and what I'm seeing is I think Zach has told her what he went through in the hole. He told her when he brought her home from jail, he told her during the reveal (which I just watched again this weekend) he told her in the bedroom before they went to burn down the cabin. As for the part of becoming like his father, after everything they went through during the SS story I think Kendall knows Zach's fears about that too but let's say he did tell her exactly what he said to GB do you really think that's going to stop Kendall from being jealous. I don't. Kendall's insecurities are from this magical sister who is toxic to Kendall. GB is like a drug to Kendall and until she deals with that not Zach or anyone can help her. I think that's what Zach is trying to tell her. She needs to deal with this and not let GB push her buttons just like a person giving up drugs. Zach cannot do it for her and even if Zach stops being BFF with GB Kendall said it herself that GB is in her life which means she is in Zach's life. So does that mean we go back to Zach hating GB but yet Kendall loving her. You can't have it both ways. Zach does not seek out GB and he acts the same way with her whether he's alone with her or with Kendall. He also acts the same way with Annie.

I also think what Zach and GB faced in the hole cannot be understood by anyone unless they've been in that situation just like what Kendall and Aidass faced cannot be understood by Zach or GB unless they were there. It's like a person whose been at war and comes home to tell his family and they say they understand. How could they possibly? This does not mean that Zach loves GB but they have that connection (God help us all) and that's how it is but I don't see Zach in love with her. His heart belongs to Kendall and I don't know how else he can make her understand that and she won't until she deals with her issues.


I think this is the human story TK was talking about and it's really not about GB in Zach's life as it is Kendall dealing with her insecurities and her marriage. JMO

He hasn't told her anything that happened in the hole. If he had, it would not be possible for Greenlee to play on Kendall's insecurities. Information is knowledge and knowledge is power. Kendall has no information about what happened in that hole, and while Greenlee is implying something different, she knows what happened and therefore holds all the power.

That's absolutely true. But by Zach not sharing with Kendall, he is taking away her opportunity to comfort him, to help him through his pain, to empathize.

If anyone is pushing someone away, I believe it is Zach pushing Kendall away instead of the other way around. He had to say goodbye to her and the boys when the last light flickered out and there was no sign of rescue. He's closed himself off to keep from suffering through the pain of losing her again and by doing so, he's destroying them.

To start my post I have to repeat the old cliche that marriage is a two way street. I think today we saw Zach and Kendall trying to come to terms with some of the issues that have been keeping them from coming together on that two way street. I saw truth on both sides. Kendall's insecurity issues colliding with Zach's inability to share his inner most demons. Both have allowed outside forces to dictate who they are together. During the past year Kendall has allowed Ryan into their lives and Zach, Greenlee.

I hate the writing, because it is a continuation of the plot crap that B&E infested the show with. However we have to get through it and I hope with their exit we will see some changes. In the mean time I am going to hold on to hope for Zach and Kendall and for TK and AM and try to hang in there and also try to make some sense of what we see on the screen in the coming weeks.

Today I could see Zach's point of view, of constantly having to assure Kendall of his love and faithfulness and I was proud of Kendall admitting to allowing Greenlee to push her insecurity buttons.

Unless Kendall stops allowing Greenlee to challenge her feelings of security, there will always be issues in her marriage. However, Zach as well must not allow his friendship with Greenlee to interfere, if it causes Kendall to feel left out. If his time in the bomb shelter is the root of the problem, then it is time that he shares it with Kendall and takes away Greenlee's ammunition to hurt Kendall and interfere in their marriage. Truth and trust must come from both sides.


Regarding Zach just wanting to hold Kendall.....IMO Kendall wanted to make love to prove to Zach and herself that they are OK , but they are far from OK and I could see that Zach wants more from their relationship than just physical love. He wants her to feel secure about their whole relationship, trust and all, not just the love making. He wants her to "believe in us". Holding her in his arms is a way of showing her that there is more to their relationship....the intimacy that is more than just making love. I may be in the minority, but I found that scene quite powerful the way TK and AM played it.


It hurt me to hear Zach challenge "Always, Only You". I don't think it will ever happen, because I believe it is more of his hurt feelings showing through, especially when Kendall compared him to Ryan. That would be an insult to any man. They both have to find a place for Greenlee's and Ryan's infestations in their lives ( I could offer a suggestion but it would hurt too many eyes) and it sure isn't in their marriage.

I felt Sad for Kendall today.....why is Kendall always made to roll over and play dead to the people in her life... :bullshit ...I want the new writer to give Kendall back her Strength.......

Today for the first time, I saw Zach through different eyes. He looked

tired, frustrated and years older. Funny but I've never seen him that

way before. Before he was always the handsome. strong, sexy, loving

forgiving Zach.


In life we know that everyone....no matter how understanding, lovable,

and forgiving a person maybe.....there is always the inevitable

"breaking point" for all of us humans (except GB, shes not human).

I think both Kendall and Zach have reached that point in their marriage

(At least this is the interpretation being written by the so-call writers).

Zach is very frustated with Kendall and her relationships not only with

GB but with :blink: Rybaby too. He feels she compares

their relationship problems to her previous love triangle problems with

them. Zach hates being compared to the Rybaby!!!! Also the fact the

she still thinks he would ever choose the inhuman GB over her ( Zach

would give up his life for Kendall),but GB Keeps planting the doubt.


Now as for Kendall whom I love and adore, she has suffered so much

for so long without any relief or release mentally, emotionallly, or

physically (any other character) would have had a "nervous breakdown

or two by now", but the writers have not even given her a chance to

breathe .Kendall is on the edge and GB is pushing her over the edge.

She's had to go through hell...back to back these past months....and

continues to go through without closure, understanding, or forgiveness

from those who have hurt her, Zach and their sons.....and no one has

been punished for their crimes (GB,Hannah, Ritchie, Adian, Jack) or

for the pain & heartache that they caused!!!! Kendall seems to have

taken the burden of the world on her shoulders and can't see, think or

feel or act like the mature Kendall and with GB back in her life

again.....the writers have taken her back to the Kendall "of Old" the

woman she was before Zach....Just because the "the real "B" GB is

back!!!! I hate that the writers have turned the characters and their

beautiful life upsidedown!!!


But I have faith that Lish & Thorsten with their great acitng skills

will turn the writers Lemons into The Sweetest Lemonade ever!!!!!

Their love is FOREVER....they are going through more "trials and

tribulations" then they should have to...true. But they are stronger for

it...and they are both fighters for whatever they believe in.

Daytime has never experienced a love like The Slaters.... and in their

case Love will Triumph over any evil that these writers create!!!!!! :yay

I can't wait to get my "REAL ZENDALL" back!!!!!!!!

Tima

If Zach doesn't want to be compared to Ryan than he shouldn't be acting like him. And hey, if Kendall is such a crazy pain in the ass, he knows where the damn door is. I say let the door hit him on the way out. Call up his new buddy Greenlee and she can help him move his stuff.

Enjoy your "20," Zach! :D

I honestly don’t know what to say about the Zach/Kendall conversation today except that I did not care for the tone of their conversation and my heart broke for Kendall because she looked so sad and lost. I just don’t understand Zach these days. I try like hell to see things from his point of view, but I just can’t.

And I'm sorry but it annoyed the hell out of me that Kendall was the one being made to apologize. He is the one that left without letting his wife know where he was going and he is the one who wasn’t answering his phone. Sure Zach does not have to always tell Kendall where he is going. But considering what happened the last time they had a fight and he stormed off (HoR), I don’t think it would have killed Zach to at least let his wife know that he was not laying dead in a ditch somewhere. Lately I have gotten sick and tired of everything being Kendall’s fault and Kendall always being the one to apologize to people.

Lish was awesome today and in that last Zen scene, my heart broke for Kendall!!

Zen - I'm just--well, that was just depressing. You guys have pretty much covered everything, and I'll only depress myself further if I get into it. Suffice it to say I hate this, the writers suck, and dear god I hope it changes soon!

Josh/Greenlee - Oh, Josh, what have they done to you?!?!? Those scenes were both horrifying and whorifying (yeah, I made that last word up, but I'm sure you get the gist). Die, Greenlee, Die!!!

Tad/KWAK/Kathy/Adam - Tad and KWAK were both extremely blah. Adam was fantastic--unexpected highlight of the day.

Amanda/Aidan - Surprising how Aidan's obnoxiousness factor diminishes when he's removed from the Greenlee orbit, isn't it? Amanda was fine, though her story as Babe's sidekick/plot point to get Aidan and Greenlee at the same table was lame.

Aidan/Greenlee - Did it seem to anyone else that when Aidan said "I know you love me," that Greenlee's response (though not spoken) was "No I don't, and I never did." UGH.

Babe/JR/Trina - JR was fairly heroic today. Huh. Okay. So who thinks Trina's leading them into a trap?

Ryannie - Oh, Annie, you have completely lost it. They should just put up a big, blinking neon sign reading RYLEE THIS WAY (with a giant arrow) during the Ryannie scenes. So lame.

GO TEAM SLATER!!!

Mallory from SOD/Serial Drama critiques the episode:

It's really weird that when the soon to be departed Leven Rambin started to play a dual role, it was all over the soap mags, but when Thorsten Kaye took on the role of Zach's nefarious twin, there was nary a press release about it.

...what? Oh, this isn't an evil double? That was supposed to be Zach acting like a total dickwad yesterday? Really? Oh.


For the rest: http://serialdrama.typepad.com/

Thanks for that, Angela. I so needed a laugh this morning. I'm glad to know there are more and more people out there calling bull shit on this behavior.

LMFAO! DUDE! Love Mallory! AC Morris.

She's obviously not a real fan!

How sad is it that I thought the same thing?!? :ROTFLMAO

Mallory is one of us! Eeeeeeeeee1111 *waves to Mallory*

Angela, thanks for this link! I so needed to read this. And the digs at the BFF bullshit is nice, too.

Here's the thing: Mallory said this, and ITA with it, but at no point did I read her and think that she's not a Zen fan. She's a disappointed Zen fan who's calling it as she sees it. Way to go, girl!

WORD!