Title: Do I pay you to complain?
Jules - June 23, 2008 07:45 PM (GMT)
I'm more than a little surprised at the writing for today's Fusion scenes. I know that the office has always been less than realistic, to put it kindly, and I get that the ladies have ginormous personal problems, but for Babe to be a bitch in front of the editor from Self Magazine, and for Amanda and Annie to side with her against Kendall, was a WTH moment for me. I was glad that Lucy the Editor was understanding of Kendall's tough situation, and I definitely agree that Greenlee deserves every bit of criticism the ladies heaped on her, but once again, no employee should talk to a boss that way.
And the same goes for Annie. While every single word she said to Kendall was true, and clearly AMC's writers understand the mountain of criticism heaped on them by the fans and the magazines for writing Greenlee so horrifically since 12 months ago, Annie should have been fired and walked the unemployment line with Babe.
Kendall's reaction to all this was pure Kendall: She persisted in trying to get first Babe, then Annie, to understand what the complainer was really complaining about because her heart is that big. So what that Babe and Annie treated her like crap. She kept coming back for more--until she had had enough and told Babe that if she had a problem with her own mistakes with Richie, she needed to separate them from her Fusion-related problems.
I'm also glad to see that when Annie tried to get a reaction from Kendall about her being jealous of Greenlee's relationship with Zach, Kendall didn't bite. Annie was out of line. At least she apologized.
I'm going to give Babe more thought than she really deserves here, but I'm more than a little annoyed that Zach saved her life last year, he saved JR's butt by giving him an alibi, and Kendall tries to help her today, and still she treats Kendall like crap. I don't think we'll ever see Babe or JR return the favors that Zach and Kendall have done for them.
Zyrtle was good, but it seemed to me that EH is not able to do more than she did today in her scenes with TK, and that made me sad. And this may sound weird, but I'm glad Zach didn't seek her out. Myrtle went to him because she knew he needed her, and since we haven't really seen this in awhile, I want to see Zach turn to his wife first and foremost if he's in trouble. If Myrtle finds him first and wants to help, that's wonderful. But I long to see Zach turn to Kendall before he turns to anyone else because IMO, that's been missing from AMC for awhile. Last week's scenes in the hospital were a start, but not enough for me.
As for Richie, I'm not bothered by what Zach did or how he did it, but I have to say that I'm pissed that Aidan's anger is treated equally to Zach's. No flippin' way in hell, and I won't even go into the reasons why this is bogus because they're too obvious to mention. Richie hurt JR badly, and he hurt Zach badly, and oh yeah, he almost killed Greenlee just because she was in the hole. Aidan is a nothing in this story. Not a husband. Not a victim. Just a guy looking to transfer his guilt to someone else and that's bullshit.
MinKayefan - June 23, 2008 08:04 PM (GMT)
JULES, your last paragraph is why I had the tele on MUTE....with Rylee too...
Kendall today is why I always love and support her........I understood Babe's anger was really coming from her feelings about Richie...but, she did speak truth in regards to the company and Greenlee.....
Annie, I know they are trying to make her out to be CRAZY, but I ain't buying...cause this Annie I actually Love, previous Annie not so much...
But, I always want Kendall to put all those B's in their places, but when she sees other's in Pain, she feels for them and won't lash out the way they do......
Loved seeing IKE today....and totally didn't mind the beating....
Dianna08 - June 23, 2008 08:34 PM (GMT)
Jules I completely agree with your entire post.
It was very unprofessional for the other ladies to argue with Kendall in front of the editor of SELF magazine, like it or not Greenlee is Kendall’s equal partner at Fusion and if Kendall the co owner of Fusion wants to consult Greenlee first before making a decision then she has every right to. I am sick and tired of Kendall always getting attitude from her employees every time they are in a bad mood. I know I would never get away with talking to my boss the way those three talk to Kendall.
Annie pissed me off when she started in on Kendall. I am sick and tired of Annie’s constant pity party. If Annie and Babe do not like the way Kendall and Greenlee run Fusion then they need to get the hell out of Fusion. Kendall has been nothing but a good friend to Annie and what Annie said to Kendall today was beyond mean and uncalled for. While what Annie said about Greenlee may have been true where she said it, to whom and the way Annie said it was uncalled for.
Annie, Greenlee and Babe need to STFU and take their damn drama away from Fusion. If I were Kendall I would have told Amanda, Babe and Annie if they did not like the way I run MY business, then they know the way to the damn EXIT!! I was seething at the utter disrespect that Babe and Annie showed to Kendall, their BOSS. It pissed me off when Annie told Kendall to “cut Babe some slack”, well where the hell is Kendall’s slack. No instead of cutting Kendall slack they all treat Kendall like their own personal punching bag. Kendall sure as hell did not deserve to be yelled at by Annie or Babe.
All the Fusion scenes today just felt like “let’s all gang up on Kendall and make total asses of ourselves” and it all just pissed me off.
I also liked that Zach did not seek out Myrtle, because Zach needs to be seeking out and talking to his wife. I was glad that it was Myrtle he was talking to and not Greenlee. Although I would have preferred it to be Kendall that Zach was confiding in.
Lish looked beautiful today and the boys looked adorable in their conductors hats.
tksbonnie - June 23, 2008 09:09 PM (GMT)
I could not believe the way Babe and Annie spoke to Kendall today. Their jobs should be on the line - in fact I am not surprised that they have not already been warned with the attituce they have. In my capacity as a "boss" these women would be history!!! There must be a short supply of "help" in Pine Valley - no excuse for disrespect
Dinky - June 23, 2008 09:28 PM (GMT)
Babe needed to hush because she isn't partner anymore. Annie said some things I'd love for Kendall to answer regarding Greenlee and their friendship, but the fact does stand that it's between Kendall and Greenlee to decide. I didn't even hear Kendall taking Greenlee's side so i think most of Annie's bite came from her own guilt at what's she's been pathetically plotting behind Ryan's back.
MCE is still doing great though. Annie's taking an interesting turn even if it is for her unraveling.
I didn't see the point of the magazine editor there. Most of the Fusion stuff felt like a forum for Annie and Babe to wah and set up future stories.
I didn't like any of the Sonny Zach/Richie thing, and I knew the basis for it, but it still made me uncomfortable. He just felt like a thug. I hope he didn't bring the bloody bat back home with him. Not my cup of tea.
Always great to see Myrtle and hear the wisdom she provides. She was spot on as usual, but I'm wondering how she found out Richie put Grach in the hole?
Frankie and his hooker bore me.
AngelaLIC - June 23, 2008 10:22 PM (GMT)
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| Babe needed to hush because she isn't partner anymore. |
That aside, she never told Babe her opinion didn't or won't matter. She was waiting for the person who owns the other 50% of Fusion to come in to make the final decision together, with the two employees input heard also in all likliehood. Greenspite's opinions are at least just as valid as one from an employee. And Babe has no problem making Fusion her best little whore house, sorority club when it suits her.
Annie. Kendall never took a side there. As much as Annie preaches the truth about Green-forgiveness ridiculousness, she has mental issues going on. When Ryan was obsessed with Kendall, she was all cheering on doing s*it without that Kendall. Kendall sucks. Now Greenlee seems like the bigger threat, and if Kendall dare not bash Greenlee with her and if she behaves rather neutrally - not good enough
zks - June 23, 2008 11:13 PM (GMT)
Jules and Dianna08, ITA with both of your posts.
Annie and Babe have no business questioning Kendall's decision at any time, especially not in front of the editor of Self Magazine.
Is this the kind of thing they want to see printed?
I admire Kendall for no stuping to their level.
Diva - June 24, 2008 12:43 AM (GMT)
To me the scenes at Fusion were very unprofessional considering that a magazine editor was there for an interview. Everyone should have allowed Kendall to handle it her way and if she felt that Greenlee the other equal partner should be there they should have not defied her decision. On the other hand I did not like Kendall treating Greenlee with kid gloves. Greenlee was not in the office, did not tell anyone where she was, therefore her input at that point should not been an issue. As usual Kendall today took everyone's feelings into consideration and tried to understand where they were coming from.
I wish that the writers would allow Kendall to call Greenlee on all her garbage. So far only Annie has been allowed to accuse Greenlee of the hurt and pain she has inflicted on Annie and Kendall. She was absolutely right that Kendall’s guilt is preventing Kendall from seeing Greenlee for the manipulative bitch that she is. I am sick of the writers holding Kendall back from the strong woman that she is and tying her up in knots of guilt.
I don’t blame Zach for not trusting the PV legal system and trying to extract his own type of justice from the man who tortured him, nearly killed him and poses a threat to Kendall and his sons. Loved seeing EH on the screen. She looked great. I hope that Zach takes Myrtle’s advice and doesn’t carry his revenge against Richie any further. Zach has a lot to lose. I so miss the Zyrtle convos. I realize that EH is not too well, but I wish that their conversation had been longer. They are so few and far between. TK and EH have tremendous on screen chemistry. They could have easily cut the Ryan/Greenlee snooze fest in half and given us some more Zyrtle. Considering who the writer was for today’s show, I guess we have to be grateful for the little we got.
Great closing scene of Zach and the boys. I was hoping that Kendall would come home and Zach took Myrtle’s advice and put his arms around his family.
Ryan and Greenlee IMO today came off as useless self absorbed characters complaining about their miserable lives.
Interesting that you could never tell that Zach and Greenlee went through the same nightmare of having been entombed in the bomb shelter for over a month. Zach’s only thoughts are of protecting Kendall and his sons and seeking justice for the pain that was inflicted on him and Kendall by this random act of violence. The only time when we hear GB referring to the “hole” is when she wants to inflict pain on Kendall and when she is lusting after Zach and wants his attention. Zach is experiencing true PTSD, while Greenlee is using it to whore around married men and play mind games with Kendall. The bomb shelter taught Zach just how much he loves his family....the only thing it taught Greenlee is how much she loves herself.
Jules - June 24, 2008 02:49 AM (GMT)
I work for a Fortune 500 company, and Fusion is supposed to be that type of business. There is no way that anyone could ever talk to a superior that way and still have a job. None. And it doesn't matter if there's an editor of a magazine there or not. It's not realistic, and it's an insult to how Kendall was written that she kept taking it, and taking it, and never said to anyone that this is the wrong way to address a problem. Even when she tried to apologize to an employee, she was insulted.
I've read a number of comments about these scenes, and I have to ask this question: If Kendall had said that she couldn't make that decision without talking to Mia in L.A. or Dani in Honolulu first, and Mia or Dani had been avoiding Kendall's calls for whatever reason, would alot of Zen fans still be OK with today's show? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it seems to me that Annie/Babe have been defended because they called out Greenlee's crap, even when they insulted Kendall in the process. I don't believe that we will ever see the end of Kenlee, and I think that AMC gave the audience a "You go, Annie!" moment but will never have Zach, Kendall or anyone say those things to Greenlee. Never ever. We may be on the crux of a new day on AMC with Charles Pratt's arrival, but Greenlee is never going to be the recipient of that venom from a Slater. Not in my lifetime.
It was a pacifying moment, and that's all. So if you take away the substance of the comment (IOW, take away the Greenlee Hatred Factor), and we're left with the insults, is it still OK to talk to Kendall that way?
MinKayefan - June 24, 2008 03:45 AM (GMT)
JULES, I get where you and everyone else is coming from in terms of BUSINESS PROFESSIONALISM......but, as I said earlier, understanding the person that Kendall is, she would have never fired or yelled at them....I think Kendall understood that both women are reeling over the current events going on in their personal lives and she simply over empathized with their situations......
I do think her Guilt is what has her not confronting Greenlee and not choosing sides with Annie and Greenlee.....would I have loved for Kendall to have put those heifers in their places, YES, I always want that.....but, that would mean I want Kendall to be more BITCHY and unsympathetic and that's just not who she is or why I love her......
Cheryl - June 24, 2008 03:49 AM (GMT)
You know Jules, I certainly did love that Annie called a spade a spade today, but the rest of it I found to be pure and total shit. When they asked Kendall if this was a dictatorship, I wanted her to stand up and say "It sure the fuck is and if you don't like it there is the damn elevator!"
I love my Mandy, but her sarcastic comments out of the gate should have gotten her ass booted back down stairs. Babe.... go wah some where else if you don't like it. Be thankful that your hillbilly, GED taking ass has such a high profile and fantastic job. Your only other option would be slinging drinks at the Comeback and that's because your momma owns the place. Annie.... she never should have been hired in the first place. Asking for a job and then being a total bitch to the owner? I'm sorry. In what world does that happen?
It's days like today I would be far happier seeing Kendall reigning over the casinos, sitting in her newly redecorated office and far away from that load of cross promotional/branding/bullshit/whatever it is.
zenamo - June 24, 2008 05:35 AM (GMT)
Well, I'll try to keep this short (short for me, anyway LOL), as summer classes started today at 8am, so I'm knackered and probably semi-incoherent, at the very least. Plus, you guys have covered things so beautifully already that there's not much to add.
Fusion - Fusion sucks. I didn't like "let's all dump on Kendall day"--especially the comments from Amanda and Babe in front of the Self editor, Babe's histrionics, and Annie's barbs, but at the same time, there were a lot of valid points flying around. I liked the "sorority house" mention, and I loved Annie's bashing of Greenlee--just wish those things hadn't come out as attacks on Kendall. Kendall was really very mature in handling all the friction, and I took that as a good sign that the strong, confident Kendall we've been missing is coming back. Fingers crossed. I didn't like her deferring to Greenlee, defending of Greenlee, etc., but what can we really expect? I thought the look on her face when Annie brought up the kidnapping was really telling--it's like she just doesn't want to think about that, she's been blocking it out of her thoughts as a coping mechanism a la Zach.
Zach/Richie - Wow. Zach and Richie were intense. I mean, seriously. Zach's barely controlled anger and Richie's fear were just palpable. Fantastic scenes--though I'm not a big fan of the whole vigilante thing (the emotions behind it are understandable, but it never goes well). I'm sadder every day that BM is leaving. He and TK just rocked it.
Aidan/Richie - What a joke. Don't care, Aidan, and P.S., you're not scary.
Zach/Myrtle - Finally! I've missed Myrtle!!! They were awesome. No one's as perceptive as our Myrt with her gypsy heart, and the Zyrtle chem is fantastic. Scenes were definitely too short. Sigh. Loved them though. I think she really did get through to Zach more than Kendall could. He's still got some struggling to do with it, and I'm a little afraid of what may happen when Annie gets Richie out of prison, but we'll just have to hang on for the ride. Loved the ending scene with the Slater engineers. But again, far too short. Sigh.
Rylee - If this is how they're supposed to be hooking back up in a way that supposed the make the audience go along with it/sympathize with them/want this to happen, well . . . not working. UGH.
Hubbards - I'm sick of Angie right now. Frankie's being an idiot. Don't care about Randi in the least. Jesse so needs to take the chief thing. Those cops were way insolent at first. Whatever.
GO TEAM SLATER!!!
Jules - June 24, 2008 11:22 AM (GMT)
Just an observation: It is possible to be written as a strong businesswoman who will not take any shit, and not fire the employees who disrespected you. You can put them on notice that what they're saying is wrong and won't be tolerated. You can tell them to stop the yammering and get back to work. You can do alot of things, but Kendall did none of them. Instead, Kendall tried with Babe, and got nowhere. So she tried again, and was insulted. And then she tried a third time, and was insulted. When AMC writes Kendall as repeatedly taking the kicks in the teeth, it denigrates Kendall.
As for Annie, I think bringing your boss' marriage into the office when all she was trying to do was help is not a good way to make Annie sympathetic. Again, I don't expect AMC to have Kendall fire all of her employees (especially since for story reasons, AMC needs them to all work together), but there are ways of being a boss and letting your employees know that that kind of talk won't be accepted, and AMC chooses not to go there. However, with Adam, or with Zach, or even with Erica, they wouldn't write the employer like they wrote Kendall. No way in hell.
Annie deliberately added the pole dancing segment into the marketing video for the Japanese businessmen and still has her job. Babe has been rescued by Zach and Kendall during the SS story, and was Kendall's partner when JR went free after he caused her coma. Now Zach has bailed out JR's ass by giving him a fake alibi. I think Babe needs to STFU about all that she's owed by Kendall.
MinKayefan - June 24, 2008 12:53 PM (GMT)
JULES, I don't think any of us are disagreeing or not seeing your point clearly......for me, I just understood why Kendall wasn't quick or willing to point out that she is the BOSS.....Did I disagree, of course I did/do, any time the writers make Kendall out to be this Weak shell of a person...I know that she isn't.....as I said before, I always want Kendall to put those heifers in there place while being sympathetic to their plight....I just think yesterday that Kendall over empathized with them and that is why she let them rant in the manner they did....
The writers of PRESENT and PAST have tried actively to DESTROY the character of Kendall......I don't buy it or like it.....Kendall, since her out of nowhere friendship with Greens has been on this slippery slope of one step forward twenty steps back, but, I want to believe that the little things that have been said lately in regards to Kendall and some of the things Kendall has said are clues to maybe Kendall being RESTORED to the SELF-CONFIDENT, INDEPENDENT, STRONG, and DETERMINED WOMAN of OLD...
ZK_Fan - June 24, 2008 02:31 PM (GMT)
Jules, I have said it before - you are always the voice of reason for me. I totally agree with what you are saying. I hate the way they have been writing Kendall. You are so correct, they would never write Erica or Zach or Adam or whoever else that way with their employees.
I for one am beyond sick of Kendall being depicted as the crazy one, the weak one, and whatever else they have tried to do with her. That is not Kendall!! I certainly hope the new writer will do better by her. I don't know how much more I can watch of this.